I was thinking further on the previous post "temperment" and I thought about something I heard one of the Keno Brothers talk about a few years ago. I was visiting a famous auction house in NYC on business and saw one of them outside the auction room so I approached. I gave him the "i'm a big fan" thing and we just chatted. In the course of it I opined that an 18th century craftsman must have spent "forever" making those little dovetail joints that fit so perfectly and would hold up for 250 years yada yada.
He gave me a very interesting answer. He said "the comparative cost of labor was, in the end, fairly cheap. It was the quality that was expensive" - meaning anyone could make a rough dovetail to hold things together - but only the quality of the fit distinguished a functional piece from a work of art that was also a functional piece.
A true craftsman takes a function stance and refines it so it still works as good but has lasting result as well. perhaps another view of temperment?
Showing posts with label temperment. Show all posts
Showing posts with label temperment. Show all posts
Wednesday, September 2, 2009
Temperment
I read a great article put out by Legg Mason and will quote part of it here:
"History clearly shows that being smart and having an appropriate temperament for investing are distinct. Of course, ideally you want an investor to have both smarts and a proper temperament. But if given a choice between the two, temperament seems the more rare and valuable.
Curtis Faith’s new book, Way of the Turtle, is a story about trading. Yet the importance of temperament comes through loud and clear. He shows persuasively how psychological pitfalls repeatedly stymie good investment results. The story of the turtle traders is fascinating, and warrants going back to the beginning. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Richard Dennis was one of the best-known and most successful commodities traders in the United States. In the early 1980s, Dennis and his partner Bill Eckhardt debated whether great traders are made (Dennis’s view) or born (Eckhardt’s contention). The back-and-forth gathered steam one day when the partners were visiting a turtle farm in Singapore, prompting Dennis to claim, “We’re going to raise traders like they raise turtles in Singapore.”
So Dennis and Eckhardt ran an experiment. They put an ad in major financial newspapers soliciting applicants for a training program. The ad explained the partners would train the group and seed them with a substantial trading account. Over 1,000 people applied, and after rigorous screening and testing, Dennis and Eckhardt invited 40 candidates for interviews in Chicago. The interviewers sought to evaluate the intellect and reasoning of the candidates. They ended up selecting 13 people, less than 1-in-100, for the maiden class. They dubbed the group the “turtles.”
Faith was only 19 at the time, the youngest of the turtles, and had a background in the nascent computer programming field. Other turtles included a Ph.D. in linguistics, a handful of traders, and a professional gambler. The group was clearly very smart, in Faith’s words, “among the brightest I had ever met.”
In late 1982, Dennis and Eckhardt trained the group, covering concepts including probability,
money management, and risk of ruin. In early 1983, the partners gave each turtle an account equivalent to $50,000 – $100,000 and let them loose. By agreement, the partners would assess the results after a month and adjust capital levels—more for the successful traders and less for the unsuccessful ones—accordingly. After the initial period, Faith was up the most in the class. Dennis rewarded his results with $2 million. More relevant is why Faith did the best: It turns out he was the only turtle who actually followed the system. All of the other traders decided to override the system at one point or another, owing mostly to psychological factors.
Many outsiders deemed Dennis the winner of the nature/nurture bet because the turtles in aggregate went on to enjoy long-term success.
Faith, however, argues it was a draw because while the trading approach can be taught to most people, some are better suited to deal with the psychological aspects than others."
I was a professional musician in my first life as a trumpet player and an orchestra and band conductor. there were some persons in the workforce who were better or worse technically but the really great ones were of a particular temperment..particularly the trumpet players. There is a great story about Adolph Herseth who was principal trumpet of the Chicago Symphony for decades and one of the great orchestral musicians of the 20th or any century. When he first auditioned Fritz Reiner the rather difficult conductor chose a piece with a very hard trumpet solo that came "out of the blue" after sitting cold for 10 minutes waiting for it. Emotionally enough to drive you nuts. Reiner had Herseth play the part over and over. finally Herseth said "Mr. Reiner, you can send the orchestra home now. We can do this all day long and I ain't gonna miss". That is temperment.
"History clearly shows that being smart and having an appropriate temperament for investing are distinct. Of course, ideally you want an investor to have both smarts and a proper temperament. But if given a choice between the two, temperament seems the more rare and valuable.
Curtis Faith’s new book, Way of the Turtle, is a story about trading. Yet the importance of temperament comes through loud and clear. He shows persuasively how psychological pitfalls repeatedly stymie good investment results. The story of the turtle traders is fascinating, and warrants going back to the beginning. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Richard Dennis was one of the best-known and most successful commodities traders in the United States. In the early 1980s, Dennis and his partner Bill Eckhardt debated whether great traders are made (Dennis’s view) or born (Eckhardt’s contention). The back-and-forth gathered steam one day when the partners were visiting a turtle farm in Singapore, prompting Dennis to claim, “We’re going to raise traders like they raise turtles in Singapore.”
So Dennis and Eckhardt ran an experiment. They put an ad in major financial newspapers soliciting applicants for a training program. The ad explained the partners would train the group and seed them with a substantial trading account. Over 1,000 people applied, and after rigorous screening and testing, Dennis and Eckhardt invited 40 candidates for interviews in Chicago. The interviewers sought to evaluate the intellect and reasoning of the candidates. They ended up selecting 13 people, less than 1-in-100, for the maiden class. They dubbed the group the “turtles.”
Faith was only 19 at the time, the youngest of the turtles, and had a background in the nascent computer programming field. Other turtles included a Ph.D. in linguistics, a handful of traders, and a professional gambler. The group was clearly very smart, in Faith’s words, “among the brightest I had ever met.”
In late 1982, Dennis and Eckhardt trained the group, covering concepts including probability,
money management, and risk of ruin. In early 1983, the partners gave each turtle an account equivalent to $50,000 – $100,000 and let them loose. By agreement, the partners would assess the results after a month and adjust capital levels—more for the successful traders and less for the unsuccessful ones—accordingly. After the initial period, Faith was up the most in the class. Dennis rewarded his results with $2 million. More relevant is why Faith did the best: It turns out he was the only turtle who actually followed the system. All of the other traders decided to override the system at one point or another, owing mostly to psychological factors.
Many outsiders deemed Dennis the winner of the nature/nurture bet because the turtles in aggregate went on to enjoy long-term success.
Faith, however, argues it was a draw because while the trading approach can be taught to most people, some are better suited to deal with the psychological aspects than others."
I was a professional musician in my first life as a trumpet player and an orchestra and band conductor. there were some persons in the workforce who were better or worse technically but the really great ones were of a particular temperment..particularly the trumpet players. There is a great story about Adolph Herseth who was principal trumpet of the Chicago Symphony for decades and one of the great orchestral musicians of the 20th or any century. When he first auditioned Fritz Reiner the rather difficult conductor chose a piece with a very hard trumpet solo that came "out of the blue" after sitting cold for 10 minutes waiting for it. Emotionally enough to drive you nuts. Reiner had Herseth play the part over and over. finally Herseth said "Mr. Reiner, you can send the orchestra home now. We can do this all day long and I ain't gonna miss". That is temperment.
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day trader,
Prism Trading School,
temperment,
trading
Wednesday, August 26, 2009
Poker
We sponsored an event in Jupiter Florida last saturday. Thankfully it was only about 110 in shade and the thundershowers were moderately severe. What a break.
I play some card games very well as advertising and marketing are all deception and tomfollery but poker seems very different. It appears to have something to do with risk management; e.g. not betting too much, understanding what is going on around you, that type of thing. The traders tell me there is a lot alike in both groups.
What I found really intriguing is when you ask a real deal poker player if he is a gambler he will deny it (not the denial type either) and retort that he only bets as much as prudent to realistically maximize his upside (or words to that effect) and gets out immediately if things turn against him. Hmmmm. The traders say pretty much the same thing.
For the time being I'll stay with advertising where I can lie/cheat/steal.
I play some card games very well as advertising and marketing are all deception and tomfollery but poker seems very different. It appears to have something to do with risk management; e.g. not betting too much, understanding what is going on around you, that type of thing. The traders tell me there is a lot alike in both groups.
What I found really intriguing is when you ask a real deal poker player if he is a gambler he will deny it (not the denial type either) and retort that he only bets as much as prudent to realistically maximize his upside (or words to that effect) and gets out immediately if things turn against him. Hmmmm. The traders say pretty much the same thing.
For the time being I'll stay with advertising where I can lie/cheat/steal.
Labels:
poker players,
risk management,
temperment,
traders
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